One Villainous Scene - Invincible Takes the Subway

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    Invincible! Something new today for Nando v Movies' One Villainous Scene collaboration. I decided to talk about Omni-Man and Invincible's well spoilers if you read further...but their final fight in season 1. And once you're done with my video check out the rest of the playlist!

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Zane Amphlett +11512
Zane Amphlett

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Aaron Watanabe
Aaron Watanabe

meanwhile cinemasins...

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PunkFashion !
PunkFashion !

Check out Pyrocynical 7 hour essay of a tv show

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hayeslundry
hayeslundry

YES!

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Ezekiel Johnson
Ezekiel Johnson

Honestly, I would adore him rebranding. Not just because I enjoy this style of content, but I think we as a society should just move on from cinemasins and that style of content just like, let them wallow in their whole and move forward with things

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The Seph I am
The Seph I am

To add to this. When you compare when this channel started and the way he analyzes now. It’s quite great to see how much they have progresses

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Jack Deviant +4341
Jack Deviant

Nolan wasn't trying to convince his son. He was trying to convince himself. Years of living "undercover", it got to him, the ideals he was brainwashed with from birth were brought into conflict. I haven't read the comics, but I don't think Nolan had a wife and son before Debbie and Mark. The baseball scene emphasizes this, he watches the game indifferently, but as he watches Mark as Debbie explains humanity to him, you see the old Nolan start to breakdown. And of course, as you stated, for all the horrors committed to try to convince Mark: "You dad.. I'd still have you."

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xLePlay
xLePlay

Well, thing is, the second kid is a spoiler in terms of you know showin in season 2, but having read the comics, it goes in so many sifferent twists and turns, that id say its like saying rick and the group end up at a prison, or the farm. It happens, and you didnt know, but so much comes after it that it is kind of insignificant

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Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

Why can’t it be both? Isn’t it both? It feels like it’s both.

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Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

Spoilers for the comics..... All you saying that Nolan changing forget that is the whole point. When the viltrimite "refugees" come to earth and have kids, they all change. They all have kids and love them wholeheartedly. Then there's Thrag who didn't have kids, he made soldiers. See the difference.

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who cares
who cares

I guess it’s because, despite him loving for centuries, he’ll never be able to re-create the feeling of watching his son succeed in something Mark, and us humans, care about Not conquering a planet, not discovering a new form of life or creating new technology but watching your child succeed in something he/she cares about

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Nyghtking +3
Nyghtking

Someone did a video on the comic and they basically said just that, and not just him, his entire race too. When his race went undercover on earth to build up their forces and take over they all live normal human lives, they all make connections, and when the time comes to take over they all come to the same conclusion, they can't just turn their backs on the lives they've made for themselves, in the years since they've gone undercover and integrated with the human populous, they've made families, they have wives, husbands, children, jobs, people that respect them and treat them like everyone else, and to do what they came to earth to do would mean giving up all of that for a race of people that don't respect you unless your strong, and don't care about you if you aren't.

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Web-Slinger +1706
Web-Slinger

It was really brutal watching Omni-Man run a train on his own son.

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KLFG ANIMS!
KLFG ANIMS!

Ayooooo

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Sheldon Bing
Sheldon Bing

Railed him 💀

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Σκοτώνω Χαρά
Σκοτώνω Χαρά

More run his son through the train and everyone in it

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Michael Edmunds +2
Michael Edmunds

Mark really got railed, eh?

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TheEddytor
TheEddytor

this scene reminded me of movie fury, where brat pitt makes the young recruit soldier hold the gun and shoot at unarmed nazi.

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Olaoluwa Oyenuga +1028
Olaoluwa Oyenuga

Omni Man isn’t a “bully that never grew up” though. He’s just the product of a brutal civilization where your survival and life’s worth is determined by physical strength. And where they taken it upon themselves to spread that ideology across the universe in a disturbing (and extreme) imperialist fashion. I agree the life span thing is just likely just an excuse for all the cognitive dissonance he might’ve experienced after ever thinking critically about the ethics of what he does.

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Olaoluwa Oyenuga
Olaoluwa Oyenuga

@Rich Vestal Don't know enough about Hobbes to truly get your fist statement. But couldn't agree more with your second.

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Rich Vestal +1
Rich Vestal

Viltrum is nothing but the Hobbesian nightmare given superpowers on stereriods. Its perfectly reasonable to expect such a society to become pathologically obsessed with power and domination to become murderous because they are constantly in fear of weaknesses or any sort of perceived deficiency that would contradict or poison their ideal.

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Lotie The Bunny +1
Lotie The Bunny

yes

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Ok
Ok

@Marcos Sidoruk Still a theory not gonna go into the specifics of what general relativity has to do with realistic aliens but seeing how we've never actually come across any, things could be completely different, you're treating it as a concrete fact.

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Socri Abbas
Socri Abbas

@Reuben Ramos No, Bullies pick on weaker one out of their own entertainment and pleasure, Viltrumites kill the weak not because they get off to killing but because of their flawed ideology that only the strong should live and the weak should die since they're inferior to the ones that are stronger. It's basically Spartan where boys are trained early and if you are weak you would be send somewhere and left to die.

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Hiro Pisku +565
Hiro Pisku

To put it simple, Omniman went native and was trying to deny his feelings about humanity and his family. If you dehumanize, it's much easier to conqueror and enslave earth since they're now lesser creatures. However, since Mark was in(vincible), he managed to hold on long enough and convince his father to stop since his fatherly love overcame his dedication to the Viltrumite Empire. A son's love managed to overcome a man who's only known conquering and death for hundreds of years.

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Sam Wittsell
Sam Wittsell

@Just Some Guy With a Mustache True. He did mention fascism and imperialism in this video but it was more from a philosophical standpoint to give examples rather than political. The general point about "might is right" can of course be applied quite broadly. Dehumanization is of course terrible any way you slice it.

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Just Some Guy With a Mustache +8
Just Some Guy With a Mustache

I see dehumanizing in our society way too much and it's heartbreaking. Number one reason I don't like getting into internet fights regarding politics.

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Aegis +6
Aegis

Stroheim? Is that you?

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Travis Tucker +15
Travis Tucker

It's not hard to "dehumanize" someone when 1) you're not human, and 2) you are objectively superior. He overcame his natural instincts out of love.

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Retro Forger +16215
Retro Forger

"My dad's gonna train me." Not the chekov's gun i was expecting but ok.

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Estefan Olivares
Estefan Olivares

Hahahahahaha

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[georgianhorse]
[georgianhorse]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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just a dude
just a dude

could've been worse with that wording

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Lyndonmaman
Lyndonmaman

@Someplant59 'Twas.

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Someplant59
Someplant59

@Lyndonmaman Was that pun intentional?

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Chicken Curry +329
Chicken Curry

I love Omniman's reaction to Mark's answer. His face goes from disarmed, to pretending not to be disarmed, back to disarmed, then he's pissed off at himself for having this reaction and allowing himself to care so much

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Duck +2
Duck

pretty much

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Leonite +175
Leonite

I think my favorite moment is Nolan's REACTION to Mark's comment at the end. Like, holy crap, credit to the animators for conveying so much emotion on visual alone, and JK Simmons is, naturally, ALWAYS a win.

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seapeajones +2
seapeajones

Yeah, holy hell. Was not expecting the amount of emotion that inspired.

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Aidin Ex Machina +169
Aidin Ex Machina

Without spoiling, the best part about this story is just how much Nolan realizes he lost by doing what he did. I can't wait for you all to experience Invincible in full. Absolutely amazing story.

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Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

@ershnuff All that carnage would most likely pale in comparison to the alternative.

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ershnuff +7
ershnuff

Thanks for saying what you did without spoiling. Nolan's leaving combined with Mark's talk with the alien at the end that "Viltrumites don't just leave" was very telling about something in Nolan. That and the more obvious recollection of the baseball game and feeling actual joy for Mark's victory. Mark is Invincible not in the literal sense, but in the sense that his lack of experience of power he makes up for in compassion and heart. How many people could still say they want to see their dad or treat him as anything less than a murderous monster after how many people he just murdered? I don't know about you, but if I found out my dad was a murderer and murdered a bunch of people in front of me I'd want nothing to ever do with him again. Mark is something else.

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MrOneStrange +20
MrOneStrange

Steven Yeun is incredible throughout the series, but the finale is some of his best work.

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Arturo Garza +8262
Arturo Garza

I think it sucks that so many people latched so hard to Nolan's "pet" remark about Debbie because it really undercuts just how important her role ended up being. She indirectly helped save the world just by being a good mother to Mark and helping him have a sense of humanity, something he wasn't really getting from Nolan.

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Zekromium
Zekromium

@Leo I agree. I feel like he didn't say "She's like a pet" to convince Mark, but rather to convince himself. He wanted to believe that because if he truly did see her as a pet it would make the process so much easier for him

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Lotie The Bunny
Lotie The Bunny

yep

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AmNeenja
AmNeenja

she saved the world in many ways, but I think the two first steps were 1. slowly ingraining human thoughts into Nolan's mind 2. raising Mark very well these two combine, and is the reason why mark saying at the end of the beatdown "I'll still have you" is so powerful. Nolan can't handle it and just flies off. He's experiencing such a massive dilemma (cognitive dissonance I think) whether to follow his Viltrumite instincts or his relatively newfound Human mindset.

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Tasoku01 +1
Tasoku01

@J Cool Guy 15 He's making an analogy of pet though so that a human can understand. It wouldn't make sense to explain it using alien terms only he understands lol

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J Cool Guy 15
J Cool Guy 15

@Tasoku01 but Omni man isn't a human though

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Stealth Pants +24
Stealth Pants

As someone who's been reading the comics for years now, I LOVED this scene. Not for the extreme violence or the shock of it (since I knew this would happen), but for the visceral reaction it brought out of everyone who watched it. I still had a similar, albeit lessened reaction, but the gut wrenching disgust brought out in people seeing it for the first time?! Incredible. Seeing everyone have the same reaction I did when I first read it is so rewarding, and I'm so glad the show was good (although of course I think the comics are better in many aspects). I hope that A. the show leads people to read the comics, they're fucking great, and B. that the show keeps going, and lives up to the standard of quality set up by both the first season and the comics it came from.

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Eric Posey +257
Eric Posey

An interesting facet of Omni-man is the concept that the viltrimites are all survivors of a cataclysmic civil war that saw half thier population die from violence, not disease. And it's within living memory of them, so they are all probably insane and traumatized, even if the hide it with imperialism. People love to focus on the pet comment in regards to Debbie being a human but it's probably that "pet" relationship and the years of peace on earth for Nolan (compared to cataclysmic civil war) that healed him enough to leave at the end of the season.

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LucielStarz123 +1
LucielStarz123

@Quantum No you idjits, it means the one that lives are pure bloodlust psychopath that Enjoyed the killing and gained great satisfaction from winning.

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Quantum +3
Quantum

@LucielStarz123 i imagine that would make it so much worse. you didnt need to kill them, there was no value in it, and you did it anyway.

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LucielStarz123 +13
LucielStarz123

Well… no. It wasn’t your classic version of civil war, it’s “the strongest survive” war. As in, the 50% left are the one who happily and estatically enjoyed killing their own.

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Cast Bet +423
Cast Bet

I feel like Omni-man’s entire monologue is him trying to convince himself rather than Mark. Because he knows Mark get his ass handed to him and he may want to quit, but even when he contemplates it he still goes to help others even if he wanted to give it up

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pon3d +75
pon3d

Thank you so much for acknowledging that the hyper-violence IS disturbing to watch. So many people I talk to just say "Whatever, it doesn't bother me," like that makes them tough, and it's disheartening because it severely undercuts the gravity and message of the moment.

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S YT
S YT

It's alright not a pleasant experience but not that disturbing. I am not acting tough seeing so much death in a short time really made me stop thinking about it.

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Eddie +1
Eddie

The people who are trying to act tough and saying, "Oh, it's animated, so it's fine," or "It doesn't bother me," are the people who need to see it most because if they actually aren't affected by it, they're missing the point. If you see *that scene* and it doesn't affect you at all, you're basically like Omni-Man in that you've become too desensitized and accustomed to violence like that, and do not see that such horrific violence is just that: horrific. Even in-universe, whether it had been Mark, Eve, Will, or Amber, if anyone had to go through such a traumatic event, no matter how hard you'd try, that grotesque imagery would linger.

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KoiDotJpeg +2
KoiDotJpeg

For me, the gore itself doesn't bother me at all. What DID disturb me was the nature it all happened in

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MrBrachiatingApe +3
MrBrachiatingApe

It disturbs the shit out of me. But then, I witnessed a multiple homicide in university where the murder weapon was a car traveling 55mph and anything that resembles that disturbs me. Still, I can kinda manage if I have to since it's not real, and obviously so. I don't want to sound flippant, but this makes me really grateful nobody ever invented a way to synchronize odors with sounds and images. Gross in its own way but also because odors bring back associated memories very intensely.

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Christian Farren +6
Christian Farren

There is certainly a desensitization when it comes to violence in media these days. It’s gotten to the point where the only way it *can* affect some of us is to up to gore and the bizarre creativity of the movie/show. I say this because I’m in that headspace. I can watch something like this or The Boys over breakfast without any issues. Granted, the context/motivation behind the violence isn’t lost on me, but it doesn’t keep me from going about my day.

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TheAdvertisement +11
TheAdvertisement

The way Mark sees all the murder and violence that Nolan did, and the fact that he still loves and values his dad after that, is a double blow. It both shows how nothing can break his morals, watching those people die was still painful and they mattered to him, but it also shows that Mark knows that Nolan still has a bit of humanity in him, that he still thinks Nolan can be redeemed. Whether that can be considered foolish or not, it works, and Nolan flies away having failed and not knowing how to accept it.

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Thebeaver3462 +64
Thebeaver3462

Mark is the one person who can actually say “my dad is going to kill me” jokingly but meaningfully at the same time

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AzureinkVI +168
AzureinkVI

I hate how people think that just because something is animated, even something so gory, that it should have less impact than if it was live-action. It is similar to comic books vs. non-comic books. I suggest you watch/read everything through the same lens. Give everything the same weight of believability. You will get a lot more from it.

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Gadget-Walkmen
Gadget-Walkmen

EXACTLY! But it all depends on seriously the material is taken, animated or live action!

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Katoki Rajz +4
Katoki Rajz

Actually i take animated action more seriously. How real people slowly pushing each others in front of green screen supported by collision simulation of a cgi city in the backround is just less impactive then a well animeted 2d scene.

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420mar +1
420mar

fax

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Lightning Gamer +92
Lightning Gamer

That line that Mark utters as he lays there when Nolan shouts, “What will you have after 500 years mark!.” and he replied, “You dad. I’d have you.” Made me 😭 and it shows even though Nolan tries to discard his time on Earth as nothing and throw everything away it shows how Mark is only really best understood by his dad and that mark understands the hardships his dad has lived as a different species but still has his humanity despite being half Viltrumite 🥺

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Lightning Gamer +4
Lightning Gamer

@rose It really had me like that too 😂 the show has done so well to show different aspects of the comic and really bring out the best of it. Right same here! Nolan just starring in shock at how even at his son being at the edge of death he still thinks of his family and the life he has built being raised on earth and Nolan really let out everything he has held back and had nothing left to say.

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rose +4
rose

Turned me into a big baby 😂 worse than any other show or movie has before Idk why exactly but it really touched me and Nolan's reaction feels so raw and genuine

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Sonny Aguilar +4949
Sonny Aguilar

I'm surprised you didn't end this video with: "And this show is a good reminder of how J.K. Simmons is always a win!"

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[georgianhorse]
[georgianhorse]

He didn’t need to. We all know by now ;)

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KJ Pierson +3
KJ Pierson

JK Simmons is always right, this video doesn't change that. Tune into the Daily Bugle Live tonight to see why.

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Kyro Howe +7
Kyro Howe

Get MORE pics of That WEBHEAD!

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Beneko '11 +68
Beneko '11

All this for pictures of spiderman

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Ross Morton +22
Ross Morton

I'm not gonna lie, I genuinely had tears in my eyes when I watched this scene. There's so much tension in the build up to it, then the "payoff", like you said, really is traumatising. Not just in how shockingly brutal it is, but also the sheer _betrayal_ of it and the callousness in which it's done. It was all I could think about for days after watching it.

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Where is Joe?
Where is Joe?

I don't even know why I'm still here, suffering in this nightmare we call life. All it's ever been is a bunch of meaningless human concepts shoved into my face to distract me from freeing myself from this mortal prison. Why live if we just keep getting knocked down over and over again!? I wish I was never fucking born. I don't even have the strength to kill myself... I feel trapped. I never asked to be here.

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First Last +11
First Last

The thing is, this entire scene takes on an entirely new perspective if you consider the idea that this isn't just Omni-Man trying to convince Invincible to turn against Earth, but that Omni-Man is trying to convince *himself* as well. His argument isn't just with Invincible, but also with himself, the part of him that keeps telling him that what he is doing is wrong. It's a fight between a lifetime of indoctrinated beliefs and his own burgeoning morality. Look at his face when he says that his wife is more like a pet. He can't meet Mark's gaze, and it genuinely sounds insincere. All the other things he says, he's much more confident, able to look his son in the eyes, but that one moment shows that he doesn't believe the words coming out of his mouth. He's not just lying to Mark, but to himself, trying to convince himself that what he's saying is the truth. He's trying to convince himself that he still believes in the "Might Is Right" school of thought that his homeworld has indoctrinated into him since birth, but having spent years on Earth, he's seen that there's another way to live, a better way. But he knows how powerful his people are, and that he's just one and they are many. He'd never have any chance of stopping them alone, and he believes that there's no one else strong enough to help him. After all, he could solo the world's version of the Justice League, the world's mightiest team of heroes. What hope does Earth have when just one of him can match their very best? Even if he did succeed, in a century, everyone he'd "saved" would be dead anyway. What point was there in saving the world? After five hundred years, what would Nolan have? Meanwhile, Mark refuses to back down. In response to all of Omni-Man's "well-reasoned" arguments, Mark's only real response keeps boiling down to "What you're doing is wrong. Yes, they're like ants to us, like mayflies to us, but what you're doing is still wrong." Because morality doesn't require logic or reason. You do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because of logic or reason. When Mark counters Nolan's final argument, answering the seemingly impossible to answer question, it finally breaks Nolan, forcing him to confront his true feelings and the reality of what he has done. But unable to do so, Nolan flees the scene. Maybe it is because I've read the entire Invincible comic series, but I have more sympathy for Nolan because I know where his path is going to lead him, and how it ultimately ends.

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will_ da_man_ +15
will_ da_man_

I was so shocked for this scene it actually made me cry, which nothing had really ever done before. I'd never seen anything quite so disturbing in animation before.

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Sean McCadden +6
Sean McCadden

The first season of invincible was so masterfully done, especially the finale. You really feel the pain, anguish and desperation Mark feels as he’s trying to reach his dad’s inner emotions. It really tore me up to watch but when it was finally was over the relief you feel was incredible. Hopefully Robert Kirkman can keep up with this momentum and keep building from here. He’s incredibly good at creating truly shocking moments but hopefully we don’t end up desensitized with those moments like we did with the walking dead

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Divine Crusader +7
Divine Crusader

I wasn't thinking about the possibility of an "Everything great about Invincible", but now I want it beyond belief. Like seriously, introducing TV shows to the channel opens so many possibilities. Attack on Titan, The Boys, Invincible, hell, even less liked shows like The Walking Dead could be applied.

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Josh Lebrun +34
Josh Lebrun

This scene helped me understand the mentality behind supremacists ideas more than any other story I had ever heard. The way Nolan is depicted as literally double thinking and almost trying to convince himself of his own ideology is a perfect representation of the mental gymnastics required to actually believe in supremacist ideologies.

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Josh Lebrun +5
Josh Lebrun

@Colonel Creeper he isn't any smarter than your average human tho, it's like saying an elite athlete is superior to everyone else because they can run faster and jump higher, while a person like Steven hawking would be considered subhuman under this logic. Hawking has contributed more to humanity and civilization than all of the greatest athletes in every sport combined even though he couldn't even speak for a large portion of his life. Like he says, we have developed technology that mimics his power because we aren't born with that power. What makes on thing superior to another is not dictated solely by a few traits, but by the sum of its parts. On another note, if Nolan truly is so superior to every other race in the galaxy then why do they conquer others? That would be like a 5 year old conquering every anthill in his backyard and declaring himself the rightful ruler because he can stomp on an anthill and they cannot stomp on him. There is no reason for them to stoop so low to prove they are the strongest if there isn't something else there, like a bully picking on the kids younger and smaller than him because his dad beats him at home.

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Colonel Creeper +7
Colonel Creeper

I don't know about that. I never found it to be a very good critique of those ideas, because Nolan is, quite literally, superior. He doesn't think that he is out of some misguided "science", or that he was manipulated by gangs or bad parents, he could literally wipe everybody else out if he wanted to. His question isn't really about whether or not he's superior, it's about whether humanity (or life) has any meaning relative to him. He experienced that meaning (the baseball game), so he knows it, and it comes into conflict with his inherent god-complex (partially a result of being indoctrinated, partially because he pretty much is a god). But he never questions his superiority, not really.

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Andrew Rogers +3
Andrew Rogers

This content was honestly amazing! I love the reviews you do at the end of your “wins” videos and shows exactly how much you appreciate what’s on screen between writing, directing, lighting, and all other things. It is enjoyable and has taught me so much about appreciating the films I love. This miniature version reviewing and scoping it all is great and would love to see more!

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sirgaz +15
sirgaz

It's great how you open with something along the lines of "I can't relate to or understand how immortals or beings of god like power view the world" but then go on to simple compare and judge him as a regular human supremacist against other regular humans. There's a disconnect here . . . a rather large one.

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Me +4174
Me

‘While this may not look like the face of a hero who won…Omni-Man loses.’ 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 bravo for that line, dude.

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Sam Wellick +5
Sam Wellick

@ToffeeTango1 why the fuck do you have to write comic spoilers in a discussion that involves most people who only know the tv show? And even if you do, atleast have the courtesy to write spoiler alert.

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Benji Entertainment +1
Benji Entertainment

He technically did lose anyways because he didn't take over the planet like he was ordered to.

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Justin Chalifoux +6
Justin Chalifoux

@ToffeeTango1 man, I already knew this but the spoilers. Come on now :l

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ToffeeTango1 +1
ToffeeTango1

Nolan literally gets killed by the leader of the Viltrumites for his actions which started with the choice not to kill Mark. So yea, that’s absolutely right.

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Lando 530 +3
Lando 530

@Wolf The Iron Lord Daddy Daddy Do~

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ELzY +24
ELzY

I love the scene when Omni Man was training Mark, literally.

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Vic +4
Vic

Mark’s answer to the “who will you have then” just broke my heart. The entire scene hurt but that was just,,, I went from stunned silence to having to pause the show because I couldn’t see through the tear

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Real Waifus? +5
Real Waifus?

To me the most impactful moment of Omni-man’s beat down of Mark is the subway scene in particular. Omni-man is trying to iterate to his son just how far beyond humanity they are, that their existence is so fundamentally different to the humans around them that Mark shouldn’t hold himself down with human ideas of right and wrong. And he chooses to show this, not by slamming Mark through humans like he already did, but by letting the humans literally break themselves against him. Mark in that instance is doing nothing other than being what he is, and what he is is so far beyond the world of humans that it is enough for the human world around him to tear itself apart. That is probably Omni-man’s most sinister action against his son because from his perspective what evidence is more damning than the beings who are less than you being ripped to shreds simply because your existence is so much more than theirs? It’s made all the more clear in that from that point on in the fight Omni-man isn’t intentionally trying to kill humans, he’s trying to beat his views into his son because his best, most irrefutable argument still hasn’t convince Mark. Edit: As for why I think this is the most impactful moment is that it’s Omni-man at his most genuine. More than when he’s quietly lecturing Mark or screaming at him while beating his face in, this shows how Omni-mam views not just humans but the whole universe, as something so innately inferior that it can and will break against him without failure.

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youfreakinnerd +10
youfreakinnerd

I love how this channel has evolved beyond what CinemaSins is still stuck doing.

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Nathaniel Foga +3132
Nathaniel Foga

This is what happens when Jameson doesn’t get his pictures of Spider-Man.

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Lucius Vorenus
Lucius Vorenus

Lol

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Wertsir
Wertsir

He’s a menace!

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tenaciousjoe24
tenaciousjoe24

You're fired

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Louis Lameck
Louis Lameck

You mean this is what happens when a drummer can't play on his time.

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ixgdgiffgd +3
ixgdgiffgd

@Huzaifa aw man its as if making an original joke is literally impossible because every joke that could be made has been made. If youre gonna comment something, make sure you think first

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adam locke +13
adam locke

I like the doctor who “I just forget things so I filled this library with journals” approach to immortal psychology.

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Toad_In_Juice +4
Toad_In_Juice

this show was amazing i’m so glad my dad recommended it to me- was a little surprising bc i did NOT expect that much gore

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Jorge Carbajal +2
Jorge Carbajal

5:31 I felt the same way while watching the episode. As a viewer, I was shocked by the absolute brutality of this scene, but I can’t even begin to imagine what Mark was really feeling during all of it.

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alpacaofthemountain +3
alpacaofthemountain

That scene shocked me to the core. That moment when mark realizes that family he was holding on to was gone and all that was left was a hand truly showed how horrible Omni Man is as a person.

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halfmettle alchemist +4086
halfmettle alchemist

The whole “ Superman, but bad” trope has been done to death at this point, but Invincible is one of the only pieces of media that not only makes that trope work, but elevates it. We don’t just see Omni-Man at his worst - we see him at his best, through the eyes of his friends and family. His teammates who love and trust him unconditionally, his wife who’s seemingly watched him grow and mature into a better person, and his son who worships him and spends the entire show training to be as legendary and selfless a hero as him. And then the truth comes out, and all the comfort he brings those people is brutally ripped away from them - and, by extension, us. And even then, in the face of this cold, uncaring, bleak monstrosity that Omni-Man has become, we’re reminded that he’s only a man. A man who, despite what he tells himself, has learned to care for these fleeting motes of dust called humans. A man who loves his son, despite it all. A man who thought he was a hero, a savior, but realized at the end he was only a failure. For all that horror and misery, in the end, all we have is the hope to be better tomorrow, even for the worst of us. What a scene. What a character. What an amazing show. Edit: Got a lot of comments saying that the comic series was one of the first of its kind to do this trope, which is an excellent point! I'm glad the show was able to do that justice, and (in my opinion, at least) even improve upon it in some aspects.

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halfmettle alchemist
halfmettle alchemist

@StardustSynchron I personally think the show has a much better grasp on pacing and balancing themes than the comic did so far. Like you said, there's some heavy stuff coming up, and I'm excited to see how the show will handle that content.

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StardustSynchron +1
StardustSynchron

I'm so god damn tired of that trope. But yeah like your edit said this was one of the first and it came out years ago so it gets a pass. The whole run is a good story that doesn't focus on only that trope. Deals with some heavy stuff like with Mark will deal later on.

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The Fowl Baron
The Fowl Baron

@LeeoJohnson not sure if your watching the same show friend yes he's a murderer but a brainwashed one none the less the entire time he's done the things hes done he tries to rationalize it to himself but in the end he just couldnt and the fact that it took four words to push him over the line of realization is proof enough he can change being "redeemed" is a quality only someone else can bestow upon someone else in their eyes the idea that no one can change or overcome a way of thinking is the reason why its hard not to demonize people and say its permanent and cant be help the very notion that people cant change is so people can sit in the ivory towers point and say "Ha your bad and evil cast em out and pierce em with a stake" no less than idiots ideology

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halfmettle alchemist
halfmettle alchemist

@piss goblin Tighten is probably one of the best examples of "evil Superman" out there, because you can see hints of how pathetic and selfish he is before he gets his powers; becoming a hero was just the final push he needed to remove whatever inhibitions he had left. I also liked that he didn't really know what he was doing and was just sort of messing around, which somehow made him more dangerous, like a child having a tantrum.

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piss goblin +1
piss goblin

I've never seen that trope before myself. Except for maybe megamind but the guy wasn't really evil, he just kinda sucked a bit.

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DefenderOfMinorities +42
DefenderOfMinorities

My favourite moment of this year was when my best friend called me and told me he watched the pilot and enjoyed it but there wasn’t anything too special, but he didn’t watch after the credits by accident, i told him to check it out and he called me back fucking flabbergasted, was so funny to me.

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Mori +1
Mori

6:25 damn this line hits me in my feels every single time

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Alex James +1
Alex James

I love these "One Scene" series. Hopefully there's more on the way

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Ashwin C +1
Ashwin C

6:20 this line just tears me up no matter how many times I hear it 😭

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Darrin Noble
Darrin Noble

That scene left me shaken for a few days. Even to the point where I had to watch it again to fully understand the story beats and look past the gore. A truly epic scene.

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Captainpep
Captainpep

I’d say this was one of the greatest shows I’ve watched all year, and it’s really high quality. Ember was probably the worst thing about the show, but everything else was done very well

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Ultimate Movie Geek
Ultimate Movie Geek

You hit the nail on the head. It was an amazing ending that just didn’t seem to stop! A perfect step up from what they begin with.

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DistortedRealization
DistortedRealization

I really enjoyed this! It was an interesting change of pace and enjoyed your insight on it. Part of me would love to see your full take on the series. But thank you for being a wholesome and great channel to watch! Can't wait to see what you do next.

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Nawf 4 +3161
Nawf 4

I like how Nolan's "they don't live as long as us so you can't get attached" argument is canceled out BEFORE IT IS EVEN SAID by the immortal, who has probably lived centuries longer than Noland and was extremely attached to the Guardians of the Globe. The first thing he does when he gets revived is charge at Omni-man with a berserk scream about how he betrayed and murdered them.

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doquan hughes
doquan hughes

@Neil the ass titan The immortal is 3000 yrs old. Nolan is estimated to be at the very least 2000. But Nolan could very well be older considering the oldest Viltromite is 1,000,000 yes old I believe

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doquan hughes
doquan hughes

That's in interesting point. But the immortal does become a dictator and asks Mark to kill him bc of what he's done in the future. Also I think Nolan is older or about the same age. Nolan has to be thousands if not tens of thousands yrs old. He even estimated he and Mark would exist to watch earth and or the planet crumble to dust.

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Rustic Percy
Rustic Percy

@Neil the ass titan I doubt someone that old would be so easily defeaten. Omni-man literally sliced him in half with his hand

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W U
W U

You are so innocent my sweet summer child

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Virginia Fernandez +5
Virginia Fernandez

I can cancel it myself in one word. Pets. Look me in the eye and tell me you wouldn’t shank a bitch for a planet of dogs.

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Cosmic Jubatus
Cosmic Jubatus

This was so beautifully put together, i got teary eyed! Thanks & may the force be with you, always!

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Víctor Pimentel +2
Víctor Pimentel

After watching the first season I devoured the comics and… OMG. Those moments of subversion of expectations pop from time to time when you less expect it. It’s just awesome.

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RED +3
RED

Fantastic analysis and pace on translating your thoughts into words, would love to see more videos like this.

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PB Spaghettifist +2
PB Spaghettifist

the comic is my all-time favorite, and the show is honestly even better so far

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PB Spaghettifist +3
PB Spaghettifist

kirkman is using this adaptation, his years of hindsight, and his improved writing ability to revise the story a little for the better~ it's like the ultimate director's cut

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Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

Loved the way you wrote this piece, very much articulated a lot of what was brought out of me emotionally and intellectually in a way that I could not have been able to quite verbalize myself.

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G. Mitchell
G. Mitchell

I love Invincible, and I love that we've gotten two R-rated adaptations modern "evil Superman" stories. I have my fingers crossed for an adaptation of Irredeemable, a third big one from the last decade. They're all different enough, despite having similar premises, to be worthy of adaptation.

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The Cluckster +3
The Cluckster

I think the saddest part of the scene is that when he killed the guardians it had a purpose, to make sure there is no threat to him, but with the subway, what was the purpose?

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Litten Fire +1
Litten Fire

I feel like it was Omni Man trying to prove that humans and all life according to him is pointless since in a matter of an instant, it can be gone. Flying at super sonic speeds making everyone instantly blowup into puddles of blood and then telling Mark : "What will you have left in 500 years?!" Was to prove that point, that according to Omni Man, humanity doesn't matter

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Jesse McNeill +1
Jesse McNeill

Amazing "One Villainous Scene" choice! This show is basically my favorite part of 2021. Ted Lasso is close 2nd...

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hpfan2007 +1272
hpfan2007

“Dad what are we having for dinner?” “I was thinking Subway” “......”

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[georgianhorse]
[georgianhorse]

@GrandmasterDevo NOOOOOOOO

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Just a guy with a good photo
Just a guy with a good photo

@Yay life correction: marks body just touched the train

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Jeff 4 the Raid +2
Jeff 4 the Raid

I laughed too, but in a friendly way like id say to a friend casually, shut up man, the only words I could think of after that lol

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M Firdan Hb.P. +1
M Firdan Hb.P.

@GrandmasterDevo with included sticks

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blinded journeyman +1
blinded journeyman

@GrandmasterDevo I laughed way too hard at that. Thx for the gorey jest.

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Piano Cat Productions +6
Piano Cat Productions

I have always loved that line. “‘What will you have after 500 years?’ ‘You dad. I’ll still have you.” It stuck out to me years ago when I was scrolling through social media and stumbled on those frames of the comic. It made me read the entire series. And wow, it still hits home

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Matthew Malovich
Matthew Malovich

Just have to say… this was my favorite video you e done in a while. Please do more. They don’t have to be every week. But once every month or two would awesome! I just love your insights so freakin much!

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Mechaniman Mechanican
Mechaniman Mechanican

I've watched Invincible 4 times at this point, one time with one of my closest friends. Every time I watch this fight I have to take a break from it, it manages to emotionally overwhelm me regardless of me knowing its gonna come. The train scene was horrific, but when Omni-man is just beating Mark it's just another level of disturbing

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isael Estrada
isael Estrada

Funnily enough I missed the last scene of the first episode and it changed the whole show for me at least for the first half. I later rewatched it with some friends and I got to see the fight. I was soooo surprised.

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Leprechaunproduction +2890
Leprechaunproduction

"Think, Mark! What will you have after 500 years?!" "Photos... I'll still have photos of Spider-Man..."

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Stupid░Bitch (代因ソ) +2
Stupid░Bitch (代因ソ)

"THINK, MARK! WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER *FIVE-HUNDRED YEARS!?*" "GTA 5 dad....I'd still have GTA 5"

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30K
30K

@Allen Cameron is it weird that I don’t ever think of JJ when it comes to Nolan, its only ever the guy from portal

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tenaciousjoe24
tenaciousjoe24

You're fired

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Your College Debt +3
Your College Debt

*JonahMan looks down, with rage... Then sadness. He had these photos, and he's never gonna give Jameson his photos of Spiderman...* *Before he can show any weakness, he flies off, shedding a single tear as he leaves the atmosphere*

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Hector Borrero +3
Hector Borrero

@ToffeeTango1 awnswer me mortal

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Rat Man
Rat Man

This show is a masterpiece, thank you for taking a look at it

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THE DEED
THE DEED

I absolutely love invincible it’s easily top ten for me however I have a wait for season 2 to write a show off as The best I also really recommend the comics

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Peter Sherman
Peter Sherman

This scene still breaks my heart. It just crushes me.

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Daniel Skelton
Daniel Skelton

I love this show but that fight at the end was soul-crushing! I was so spent after seeing it.

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The Fan Without a Face +973
The Fan Without a Face

Also lets take this from Nolan's perspective. He knows first hand what the Viltrumites are capable of, he's seen it. Hell we've seen it, Omni-Man alone wiped out the strongest heroes on the planet and tanked everything the country threw at him, it barely slowed him down. Imagine what an army of them would do. Nolan knows even if he changes his ways it won't matter in the end as his people will just send another, likely more dangerous and violent individual who will just start leveling cities left right and center. To him, what he's doing is the lesser of Two Evils.

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Jacktheripper2000 pro gamer
Jacktheripper2000 pro gamer

@paxpacis2 i just wanna see some conquest ownage on everyone

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vizthex +3
vizthex

not only has he seen it, he's participated in it. He's one of the elite soldiers, that's got some requirements.

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deadlypandaghost +1
deadlypandaghost

@Chillax 2nd. They seem to have kept the vitrulmite storyline as the central theme. So conquest is probably the next seasons big bad. Alternatively Armstrong as he appears several times and his biggest moment is right after conquest's.

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Chillax
Chillax

@paxpacis2 I think so too. Bug planet is going to be a higlight of the second season. I hope they will not drop the event before Conquest...

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paxpacis2 +1
paxpacis2

@Chillax Conquest will probably be third season.

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Lazereye57
Lazereye57

Even though the train scene was very impactful, I do wonder if it will negatively impact how we will view Omni man and his character arc in later seasons considering what they do with him in the comics if they go in that direction.

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Lucidity
Lucidity

You know a show is special when cinemawins takes a deep dive on it

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Velkayne of Lorvaesch Nojaeiro +2
Velkayne of Lorvaesch Nojaeiro

I don't think he "learned" he was wrong and I don't think he didn't value his wife. He didn't say he didn't value her life at all, just that she was more like a pet and as a result she was worth *less* than, say, another Viltrumite. She makes him happy, she's cute but when push comes to shove he's going to choose Viltrum over her any day - it's not like he was going to kill her anyways. Furthermore, I don't think he *discovered it* - more that he was lying to himself that he *didn't* care but when it finally came time to finish the job on someone he cared about he couldn't do it. It would be even more irreversible and would haunt him if he did and he knew that, he knew that he didn't *actually* see his wife like a pet but justified his indifference through this lens. His rant and attempt to beat Mark into submission was an attempt to reject his Humanity that he'd been taught, to become a Viltrumite again but he was ultimately unsuccessful.

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Max Preston
Max Preston

I'd love to see more of this type of content on the channel.

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Gabriel Hermesson
Gabriel Hermesson

One detail in this scene that always gets me, is that it is the first time in the entire series that Omni-Man looks at the blood on his hands.

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Andrew Zuppardi
Andrew Zuppardi

Long time fan. I WOULD LOVE more analytical style videos like these in between your regular Cinemawins videos!

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Lady Scarlette
Lady Scarlette

I just watched this with my friends last weekend, I concur with the jaw-dropping. I think I might have broken my friend's hand too because I held it during that last fight scene and I couldn't help but squeeze it. (Her hand isn't broken, just sore, she's fine)

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Bruno Techera
Bruno Techera

Sooo good. God damn that was good. Always delivering. I liked invincible probably more than any other superhero related content from the last two years. And this is a very effective explainer of why. Always a pleasure to watch your videos, mate.

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Oats +1349
Oats

That was such a good show

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CTCheeser Gaming
CTCheeser Gaming

@cr637 I mean, she definitely does have inconsistency in her writing though. Or, at least, she makes decisions that just don’t make sense to me. Like her hating mark for not helping during the attack at the college campus, it’s assumed that she doesn’t know he’s invincible, which would make sense. But when she reveals that she does know, the excuse that he lied to her really feels almost toxic, because it’s not some small thing that he should have told her earlier, it’s this HUGE reveal that could put herself and others close to him in danger, so blaming him for not revealing his secret identity to her just doesn’t feel right? Idk man, I’m hoping there is some kind of resolution to the whole thing in season 2, and besides it doesn’t really matter that much anyways :)

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Yeetus the crusader
Yeetus the crusader

@SonRob about 7 I think

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BrokenBiscuit
BrokenBiscuit

@Shaak ti oh man, I wanna get into the comics but when I search for them, there are so many issues I just get confused

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Meower Twelve +1
Meower Twelve

Seasons 2 & 3 were greenlit. Get ready for more good show.

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cr637 +1
cr637

@Max H No they don't. Only your butthurt incel echo chamber cares

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bleans
bleans

You know, I never thought that a animated show could make me visibly retch. 👏👏👏

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Eddy Baro
Eddy Baro

This was a great insight into one of the best comic book series that come out this year.

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Remy Gallardo +1
Remy Gallardo

God damn, I've still never watched Invincible but seen tons of memes and clips and this is the first time I've ever heard Invincible's response to his dad's rant and that hit me right in the fuckin' feels like Invincible hit that subway.

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Totallyhuman +3
Totallyhuman

3:01 this... Everything after this was just pure gold.

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Idanmuze
Idanmuze

Would love to see more of this type of content from you!

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Tores
Tores

More of these "One X Scene" videos please! I love the wins but also insightful stuff like this too

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Noah Aldridge
Noah Aldridge

Love this format would love to see more of it keep up the great work

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GoLaw +3
GoLaw

I feel like a lot of his actions were extreme to the point of being intentionally self-sabotaging to his surface goals. I could, of course, be entirely wrong, but it comes across a bit like he knows he can't go against the rest of the Viltrumites and is intentionally drawing a line between himself and his loved ones to prevent humanity from turning on them when he inevitably has to do his "duty".

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Bobby The Wallflower +740
Bobby The Wallflower

The moment that sticks with me the most from this show is the sight of War Woman's head doing a 180. It's stuck with more just as much as the train scene

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[georgianhorse]
[georgianhorse]

@James Kelly yeah, man, you usually just see a twist and hear a crack and that’s the end of it, that’s what you expect when you see her slump to the ground like that. Then she coughs up all that blood and you realise “oh no… she’s still conscious, isn’t she?” This show doesn’t fuck around lmao

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Projekt Taku +1
Projekt Taku

@C•rla ea ?

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C•rla ea
C•rla ea

@Projekt Taku as someone who's seen *that* mugshot of the shirtless prison guard to r*ped woman inmate, it was too much for me. I won't bash the show I just can't watch it!

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Projekt Taku
Projekt Taku

@Marble Hercules yeah

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Marble Hercules +1
Marble Hercules

maybe its because i have hand issues but the scene that stuck with me was the red flash breaking his hands and still continuing to punch omni man with them. I try everything to prolong the use of my hands and to just be in that moment of desperation throwing everything he had at omni man… Breaking his own body trying to defend himself was just mindblowing to me.

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Don't Subcribe Don't Like
Don't Subcribe Don't Like

Thanks for this analysis, was waiting for someone to talk about what a genre breaker it is. I disagree that Nolan's plan is stupid though, from a Viltrimite's perspective, humans are insects. He is forcing his kid to squish insects until he stops crying about it and becomes desensitized. Which is a thing I wish wasn't real but humans definitely can and do 'get used to' the act of killing. Check out the Milgram Experiment.

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Ever Winston
Ever Winston

I don’t remember where I heard this quote from, but I’m reminded of it now more than ever: “A villain is only truly defeated when they’ve been beaten not only physically, but ideologically.”

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Ethan Tinklenberg
Ethan Tinklenberg

I still think about that set of scenes and my heart sinks. It’s hard to watch, it’s traumatic. You’re totally right.

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Darth Serenity +1
Darth Serenity

we have always wondered how many casualties such hero vs villain fights have invincible is just kinda brutal about it

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Sam Coffey +513
Sam Coffey

Easily one of my favourite shows I've watched this year, animated or otherwise. JK Simmons owns it, love it.

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Gavin Rains +1
Gavin Rains

Steven Yuen killed it too

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Sam Coffey +2
Sam Coffey

@Peepo Hearing his voice in Korra was a lovely surprise, that fight in season 3 was up there for some of the best moments of the combined Avatar/Korra-verse, all because of JK.

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Peepo +11
Peepo

His voice and his acting is really something to behold and gives any role he gets to much power. From Spiderman 1, Whiplash, or even Korra, he just smashes it.

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Gamer's Theater +3
Gamer's Theater

he was perfect for the role

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The Beep Man +4
The Beep Man

2:50, this is proven earlier in the show, although it would only become clear on the second viewing when people know how old Nolan likely is or can be, in episode four at the cafe in Rome Nolan says his first date with Debbie wasn’t that long ago, he’s the corrected that it was twenty years ago, and he just goes “huh”, which I would say is decent enough proof that he has no concept of mortal (ish) time.

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SinHurr +2
SinHurr

a fifth-ish of Debbie's total lifetime ago, like, what a 100th of his? I forget what the exact life span of a Vitrimite is, but as I close in on my 40s I start to see how easily time slips away like that. I can only imagine how bad it would be after centuries.

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Banana BOI
Banana BOI

Man I can’t wait when you people will see how the story goes. As somebody that read the comic, I assure you there will be many more surprises, sad scenes and most importantly, very wholesome moments.

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U/Skit-Flicks
U/Skit-Flicks

Sadly the memes ruined this amazing twist, but still I love this show to death!

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Đorđe Kovačević
Đorđe Kovačević

As someone who enjoyed Scorpion's revenge, I really enjoyed Invincible too

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Gandalf the Tsaagan +630
Gandalf the Tsaagan

When Omniman asks "What will you have in 500 years?!" Mark replies "You, dad." because this is personal between the two and shows how Nolan is wrong, first on his convictions and ultimately in traumatizing the person he loves the most to make a point (to himself mostly). But taking on that question, what would you have after 500 years? You would have a life, a big family even. You could create an entire race of dogs solely from your first pet! Like, imagine being the 1000 year old great-great-great+ grandpa that started the family in the family reunions. Admittedly, it all could be doom and gloom, but you'd literally have forever to change that.

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Zachary Hunt +1
Zachary Hunt

@MrBrachiatingApe Also, any of his offspring become immortal as well and they suffer the same fate 😅

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MrBrachiatingApe +1
MrBrachiatingApe

@Anti Bull I think as an immortal who tried the family route, you'd become attached to the family as a thing in itself, almost like a nation, rather than a group of individuals. You might have 2 or 3 mates but I have the feeling that over time you'd shift away from that role and become a more distant figure, dispensing advice, ensuring bonds are maintained, helping members understand their possible roles, the traditions that surround them. I say this in part because I come from an old family--I know it's kind of a nonsensical statement, since all families are equally old, going right back to the first true humans and beyond. But mine has had traits, characteristics, traditions, even a kind of culture, going back at least 500 years. I can read in my family's archives (and places like Wikipedia) bits and pieces of some ancestors' lives. I recognize things that still hold true today--like the kinds of careers most of us have (science, education, medicine, politics, armed forces. All are forms of public service...) and I can read things an ancestor said 400 years ago that are identical to things my dad told me growing up. So while I love my siblings and parents and cousins and so on, my conception of family is a lot more than them. I value that culture, no matter who the individuals are. I value the traditions. Hell, I even feel a certain loyalty to cousins I've never met (and to reinforce an earlier point--I got in touch with some very distant cousins I'd never met before to ask some genealogical questions. I spoke to 3 people; 2 of them were Dr. [my last name] and the 3rd was a retired professor.) I think if you were the founder of a family you shepherded along for centuries, you'd have to be loyal in the more abstract way I'm trying to communicate or the bonds would fray and you'd drift away from them. Just my two cents on the matter.

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Clancy Doyle +1
Clancy Doyle

@Gandalf the Tsaagan oh, ok

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Gandalf the Tsaagan +3
Gandalf the Tsaagan

@Clancy Doyle No, Omniman is arguing that because other lives become meaningless to him they're worthless and inferior. Because that's how viltrumites justify their ways and that's what he was taught and instructed for.

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Clancy Doyle +3
Clancy Doyle

@Gandalf the Tsaagan isn't that sort of Omniman's point though? I'm not saying he's right but isn't he saying that if it happens enough to become just "another cycle in one's life" they'd get desensitized to it?

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Talking About Games
Talking About Games

I love this analysis. Yall should make more content like this too

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balasubramaniam manikandan +1
balasubramaniam manikandan

This was a much better analysis than your usual ones...... especially the part about the stupid ideology of "might is right " and the characterisation of omni man ........love to see more videos like this

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Daniel Paterson
Daniel Paterson

If you liked the first season, you're going to love what comes next.

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thebestPilot
thebestPilot

Any content from you is amazing! Whether it be shorter videos like this or big videos on movies

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Malachi McKinstry
Malachi McKinstry

This is beautiful the words and the imagery and how he says things and how good it is it's beautiful

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